{"id":19452,"date":"2014-03-17T20:03:06","date_gmt":"2014-03-17T20:03:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mlnv.org\/main\/?p=19452"},"modified":"2015-10-27T17:51:12","modified_gmt":"2015-10-27T17:51:12","slug":"2014-03-17-ma-questi-referendum-o-plebisciti-servono-veramente-a-qualcosa-o-a-chi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mlnv.org\/news\/2014-03-17-ma-questi-referendum-o-plebisciti-servono-veramente-a-qualcosa-o-a-chi\/","title":{"rendered":"MA QUESTI REFERENDUM O PLEBISCITI SERVONO VERAMENTE A QUALCOSA &#8230; O A CHI???"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<hr \/>\n<p>\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">Riporto dei commenti all&#39;articolo de LINDIPENDENZA.COM (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lindipendenza.com\/plebiscito-digitale-veneto-per-gli-organizzatori-alle-11-han-votato-in-565-000\/\" target=\"_blank\">CLICCA QUI<\/a>) e che rispecchia anche le nostre perplessit&agrave; circa queste iniziative referendarie che non possono portare all&#39;indipendenza.<\/span><\/span>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">La nostra Patria, la Serenissima Repubblica Veneta, &egrave; in una condizione di occupazione da parte dello stato straniero italiano e la rivendicazione di sovranit&agrave; per il Popolo Veneto non pu&ograve; passare attraverso un referendum perch&eacute; &egrave; un diritto previsto dal diritto internazionale e che va rivendicato attraverso soggetti e percorsi ben specificati ed &egrave; quello che sta facendo il MLNV e il Governo Veneto Provvisorio.<\/span><\/span>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n\t<span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">I promotori del referendum e plebisciti vari sono&nbsp;politicanti che con il pretesto indipendentista anche in passato hanno concorso a competizioni elettorali in ambito italiano.<\/span>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n\t<span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Questa gente non si rende conto che&nbsp;p<\/span><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;\">i&ugrave; l&#39;obbiettivo &egrave; importante pi&ugrave; gravi saranno le conseguenze in caso di fallimento e questi signori non hanno alcun diritto di sciupare il sentimento nazionale con iniziative sconsiderate e che servono solo come campagna elettorale.<\/span>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n\t&#8212;\n<\/div>\n<div>\n\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">Ma ecco alcuni commenti:<\/span><\/span>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">ORA, ATTRAVERSO UN PLEBISCITO DIGITALE VIRTUALE ECC&hellip;.MI VENGONO A DIRE CHE CI SONO 500.000 PATRIOTI VENETI PRONTI PER L&rsquo;INDIPENDENZA DEL VENETO, QUANDO NEL 2010 CON DUE PARTITI INDIPENDENTISTI NELLA REGIONE VENETO, PRESERO IN DUE &hellip;0,8% DEI VOTI, E USCI&rsquo; INVECE INCORONATO L&rsquo;ATTUALE GOVERNATORE ( la classica memoria corta degli italiani).<br \/>\n\t\tE anche per il prossimo partito di Buxology nel 2015, le firme ci sono; tanto si sa, che sono tutte false !!!<br \/>\n\t\tCome fa un amministratore che deve giurare sulla costituzione italiana, a proporre un programma politico incostituzionale, e allo stesso tempo fare proprie istanze di diritto internazionale quando la materia &egrave; regolata esclusivamente dallo stato centrale e non da enti amministravi ( regioni, provincie e comuni), che sono sprovvisti di personalit&agrave; giuridica internazionale e quindi: &rdquo; NON SONO SOGGETTI DEL DIRITTO INTERNAZIONALE AL PARI DEGLI STATI, NEMMENO SE AVESSERO FORME DI AUTONOMIA E DEVOLUTION MOLTO AMPIE.&rdquo;<br \/>\n\t\tChiediamolo agli avvocati indipendentisti delle forzature di diritto e del diritto super-costituzionale, quando una regione non ha nemmeno un popolo riconosciuto de iure e de facto. SENZA ROTTURA COL SISTEMA GIURIDICO ATTUALE E RELATIVA INSURREZIONE, POSSIAMO RACCONTARE TUTTE LE FAVOLE CHE VOGLIAMO, MA CI POSSIAMO SOGNARE LA LIBERTA&rsquo; !!!<br \/>\n\t\tUn plebiscito privato, &egrave; solo una operazione di marketing come il referendum ( della lega), per raccogliere nominativi ( tanto le firme sono tutte false). Chi sta dietro alla macchina, ha gi&agrave; pronto il nuovo partito per le regionali nel 2015&hellip;non temere !! Cos&igrave;, hanno fatto con le 30.000 per l&rsquo;Europa che servivano per mandare gi&ugrave; a Roma gli indipendentisti nel 2012, cosi hanno fatto con le autocertificazioni nel 2011 ecc&hellip;.ecc&hellip;. LA GENTE E&rsquo; STUPIDA, MA SI RIFIUTA DI FIRMARE IPSO FACTO PER MANDARE SU LISTE, PARTITI O ALTRO, QUINDI INVENTANO QUESTE SPECULAZIONI E PROPAGANDE A SCOPO POLITICO. Liberi di non crederci, ma il plebiscito sar&agrave; un flop, e un nulla di fatto come tanta altre iniziative.<br \/>\n\t\tPASSATA LA SBORNIA OVVIAMENTE !!!<br \/>\n\t\tUn popolo ( se popolo unito), riprende la sua libert&agrave; con una insurrezione di massa&hellip;..NON CHIEDENDO PERMESSO !!!<br \/>\n\t\tUSA + EU + ITALIA, anche per via del TRATTATO DI LISBONA, SONO TUTTI IN TORTA, NON RICONOSCERANNO MAI NE IL PLEBISCITO, E NEPPURE UN REFERENDUM CONSULTIVO EFFETTIVO. SOGNATE, SONO SOLO SPECULAZIONI POLITICHE A SCOPO CAREGA ITALIANA E BASTA.<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">&#8212;<\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">500.000 veneti hanno votato?&nbsp;<br \/>\n\t\tNon ci credo nemmeno se li vedo.&nbsp;<br \/>\n\t\tE chi lo ceritifica?&nbsp;<br \/>\n\t\tGli organizzatori?<br \/>\n\t\tMa dai<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">&#8212;<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">Ma &egrave; possibile sapere con quali criteri si svolge questa consultazione libera e volontaria? ad esempio &egrave; possibile votare pi&ugrave; volte?<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">&#8212;<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">Come mi disse un amico di Cattaro, dopo il referendum che porto&rsquo; alla rottura Serbia- Montenegro, &ldquo;non abbiamo fatto altro che cambiare la mafia di Belgrado con quella di Podgorica&rdquo;.<br \/>\n\t\tSuccedera&rsquo; lo stesso anche nelle Venezie!<br \/>\n\t\tA meno che non cambiate le regole del gioco, non farete altro che cambiare la mafia di Roma con la mafia di Venezia.<br \/>\n\t\tProcedete innanzitutto a riscrivere le regole del gioco, e dopo (soltanto dopo aver fatto cio&rsquo;) organizzate il referendum. Regole credibili (basate sui sani inossidabili principi istituzionali della nostra Veneta Serenissima Repubblica) faranno si&rsquo; che anche cittadini originariamente non-Veneti voteranno a favore dell&rsquo;indipendenza.<br \/>\n\t\tState purtroppo mettendo il carro innanzi ai buoi, rischiando di causare grossissime delusioni in chi crede veramente nella nostra millenaria patria Veneta.<br \/>\n\t\tSaluti da Londra,<br \/>\n\t\tLeone Marciano.<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">&#8212;<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">Ma alla fine qualcuno afferma in un commento che alle 19.00 odierne la soglia dei votanti sarebbero arrivati addirittura a 700 mila&#8230;<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">&#8212;<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">ed ecco anche altri commenti su facebook:<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">&#8212;<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">Ma ghe credio a ste robe ??? <\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">Non ghe voe xente che vota de drio un computer, ma xente come in Ucraina e Crimea !! <\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">TUTI BRAVI A FARE I PATRIOTI VENETI DE DRIO A UN COMPUTER E DOPO DA AMINISTRATORI GIURATE TUTI SULLA COSTITUZIONE ITALIANI. <\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">BRAVI &#8230;DAEA VITA GAVI&#39; CAPIO TUTO &#8230;.<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">CONTINUE&#39; A PARLARE ITALIAN !!<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\">&#8212;<\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<div style=\"border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: top; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: normal;\">\n\t\t<span style=\"font-size:16px;\"><span style=\"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"line-height: 17.940000534057617px;\">E&#39; GIUNTA GIA&#39; LA PRIMA SEGNALAZIONE GRAVISSIMA SULLA BUFALA DEL &quot;PLEBISCITO&quot; DIGITALE DI QUESTI GIORNI:<\/span><br style=\"font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17.940000534057617px;\" \/><br \/>\n\t\t<span style=\"line-height: 17.940000534057617px;\">Questo &egrave; un commento che &egrave; stato pubblicato da un contatto fb al link di Zaia che &quot;lanciava l&#39;iniziativa del plebiscito digitale&quot; .<\/span><br style=\"font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17.940000534057617px;\" \/><br \/>\n\t\t<span style=\"line-height: 17.940000534057617px;\">Di Claudio Bortolin ==&gt; &quot; Lo spieghi tu a quelli del sito plebiscito.eu che ho registrato un utente falso con data di nascita 1&deg; gennaio del 1896 che si chiama Tony Bigarella residente in &quot;via del menga&quot; usando come numero di carta d&#39;identit&agrave; AK 1234567 che e&#39; quello che loro usano come esempio per l&#39;iscrizione? ho ricevuto il codice ed il voto e&#39; stato accettato? &quot;<\/span><br style=\"font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17.940000534057617px;\" \/><br \/>\n\t\t<span style=\"line-height: 17.940000534057617px;\">&#8230;E CONTINUANO A PRENDERE IN GIRO I VENETI&#8230;DA BUONI ITALIANI&#8230;<\/span><\/span><\/span>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Riporto dei commenti all&#39;articolo de LINDIPENDENZA.COM (CLICCA QUI) e che rispecchia anche le nostre perplessit&agrave; circa queste iniziative referendarie che non possono portare all&#39;indipendenza. 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